. . "It is how matter~energy feels-from-the-insideThis is more interesting to me, because I am aware that for BOTH materialism and idealism there happens a disdain for the material world, nature, including the organismFor materialists, nature becomes devoid of spirit and meaningfor idealists, that believe matter/nature is illusory, again there is a denigration of the body, and nature and a deification" . .