. . . . "She hosts them here in the U.S. She told me that for a shaman, who believes in Spirit, a tree is a tree, in this reality and in non-ordinary reality (for clarity's sake, you can substitute the word 'afterlife' or 'other realities' for 'non-ordinary reality', not that its the same thing, who knows, but its kind of too much of a tangent to explain it here...), and Jung would confuse the issue by ask" .