@ Ivy if you have no wish to start a flame war why do you insist on a long post saying how much better Poser is than DS and how some DS user are ???and I have learned some people love daz4 to a point they will say anything to defend it, properly because they don???t work much with other 3d programs. or push the programs to do thing they are advertized to do such as animation.??? you insult DS user