Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s) yeah, they try to screw you on that, fine print all of their products. they are quality products, just the specs that they show, even for the s/c for their newer models, shows the HP with other stuff also, never just 1 product, except the chip i think I hate: people who have not died yet that I hate.