they are paranoid people to start with and they do not have anything to fall back except intelligence and their ability to build nuclear weapons like now. now we have a deadlock over there and this new leader whom i have not met kim jong-un. >> jon: the grandson. >> he is 30, i think. he is paranoid and he has to rely on verbal threats. >> jon: we do not talk to them. >> we do not talk to them. >> jo