decisions about whether he was contrite or not. i felt that he was thoughtful. i thought that he was serious. i thought that he certainly had prepared himself for this moment. i would say that he met the moment. and at the end of it, 2 1/2 -- literally 2 1/2 hours, we both were pretty exhausted. and i would say i was satisfied. >> well, whatever ultimately made it to tape -- we will not know till la