Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s) (Thread Starter) ok new update ... this is a common problem in cold areas (boston) but it also causes other problems i need to do the valve cover gasket now and some other part !!! the newer models have an insulated part but the replacement is no diffrent than the orignal and it can happen again, my tab at the dealer is going to end up $1,