Postby alan... ?? Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:27 pm ...they view life as a grotesque tumour, a swelling they inhabit. they view death as the removal of this growth. since they see life like this, they simply do not consider whether death or birth comes first...one who does not exist in self sees others as they really are.having no self, he does not see himself having belongings!-chuang tzukind of int